DC - The Next Step

[Greeryboy2410]

Hey guys,

I was recently thinking about DC Pops, and the lack of different characters. For example, for each of the rainbow batmen, we could've had a different character we all want, like Lex Luthor (he might be 6", but not the point). Now, you could argue that we just got Poison Ivy and Killer Croc, who we've never had before. This is true, but to be honest, I would much rather have new characters entirely, instead of a new series based on a game that included 2 Batmen, another Joker and another Harley(albeit I like the games xD). Not to be contradictory, but one character that I would love to see is the Jay Garrick Flash. We have had Flashes before, but he is very different to the Flashes we already have, which are all just the same sculpt. This does seem to be a rather large rant at the state of the DC line, which is not my angle. My point is, we need a more varied range of characters, rather than a more varied range of character variants. What do you think? Let me know!

[Batmunch]

I think individual license acquisition, restrictions, negotiations play a lot of a bigger role in this kind of decision making than we like to admit.

[saul_damascus]

I would love a jay gerrick flash and a lex luthor in battle armor

[RHYDA32]

could not agree more. this year alone i count about 30 marvel pops i want to buy and maybe 5 from dc. my marvel and dc collection ratio is severely lopsided. dc has got to get it together or else pops will just be another thing marvel will beat dc at.

[JessicaLyn0205]

Just going to copy and paste my post from the "What's with the lack of DC pops? " thread

I completely agree. It's not like they've lost the licences, its just that they are CHOOSING to only give us repaints and variants and different mold of the same 5 characters over and over again with only a few new ones thrown in every so often.

I went through the Pop Checklist and counted how many different variations of certain characters there really were. This is only counting pops that have their own individually numbered boxes, so I'm not even including things like the New 52 variants or any other repaints that share the same numbers on the boxes.

Of the 69 listed on the checklist, there are 9 Batman, 5 Superman, 6 variations of Flash/Reverse Flash, 4 Harley Quinns, 5 Jokers. So for 69 Pops in the Series, 42% of them are various versions of the same 5 characters.

I would LOVE to get some new, fresh characters thrown into the series:

Zatanna, Power Girl, Carol Ferris, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Constantine, Simon Baz, Kyle Raynor, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, 6" Kilowog, Elongated Man, Plastic Man, Indigo-1, Larfleeze, Atrocitus, Bleeze, Dex-Starr, Damian Wayne, Talia, Ra's Al-Ghoul, Red Hood, Red Robin, Cassandra Cain, OMAC, Batwoman, Manchester Black, Doomsday, Kalibak, Black Manta, Mera, Orm, Deadshot, Saint Walker, Lex Luthor, an actual Yellow Sinestro, 6" Arkillo, Huntress, Arsenol, Connor Hawk, Hawkgirl, Hush, Fatality, Katana, Oracle, Super Girl, Grifter, Gorilla Grodd, Stormwatch, Voodoo, Miss Martian, Artemis, Cheetah, Terra, Tomar-re, Ch'p, Green Loontern (if they can do Howard the Duck for Marvel, they can do Green Loontern for DC), Big Barda, The Atom, Isis, Hawk and Dove, Mr Miracle, Fire, Ice, the Blackhawks, Vixen, Stargirl, Donna Troy, Wonder Girl, Blackfire, Arisia, the Metal Men, Jade, Alan Scott, Obsidian, Stephanie Brown, Dr Light (both), Firestorm, Kid Flash, Jessie Quick, Plastique, Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Killer Frost


Just to name a few.

[hawkman2]

that's a lot of characters

[JessicaLyn0205]

Just some ideas. We don't need ALL of them, just trying to get across the point that there are so many characters to choose from, and we're not really getting a lot of variety.

[PopRedneck79]

A 6" Lex in battle armour would be awesome.

[jhorsley23]

Totally frustrated with the lack of DC POP!s. I like Marvel and all, but I'm a DC guy through and through, and I have a lot more Marvel POP!s than DC.

[xmaldigolax]

I am not really a big fan of DC comics, but I feel bad for you guys. I think it is just cheaper to use that Batman/Flash mold over and over and over and over and over again instead of coming up with new ones...especially because you guys just keep buying them hahahaha. But they keep on making so many different marvel sculpts. Seriously, that hulkbuster...why can't that be lex luthor in an exo suit? Why can't they just make a regular lex luthor? Seems like it would just be a cheap paintjob on a generic male body.

I think it is legal stuff. DC is a pain in the butt. I always love to talk about my Bat-Pumpkin obsession (especially when making fun of all the bat variants). and that whole thing came about because they got all uptight about twisted toyfare theatre making fun of some DC characters. I mean, TTT had a whole skit about Doctor Strange astrally projecting and his body being sold as a real doll at Doctor Doom's garage sale, and Marvel didn't even bat an eye.

I don't know where I was going with this...

[Greeryboy2410]

It really would be a shame if this came down to licensing. Also, for another 6" maybe Solomon Grundy?

[hojo]

I'd be curious to know if the upcoming Convergence event has anything to do with the delay in DC pops. They might be waiting until the new universe and characters are selling. I'd love to see an update showcasing more characters from the DC universe as well. I'm sure we'll also see more DC pops being released as more DC movies and television shows start airing.

[Abbernaffy]

I made a custom Jay garrick Flash last week

[xmaldigolax]

It really would be a shame if this came down to licensing. Also, for another 6" maybe Solomon Grundy?

i saw a GREAT solomon grundy custom on etsy. Need to make some of that money and I might buy it!

[shogunjlips]

can someone please list/tally the number of Marvel characters vs the number of DC characters (no variants for either) that have been POP'd

[Greeryboy2410]

can someone please list/tally the number of Marvel characters vs the number of DC characters (no variants for either) that have been POP'd

Give me an hour or so, you'll have your list

[Greeryboy2410]

I made a custom Jay garrick Flash last week

I love it! That is actually awesome!

[HavokAndChaos]

It really would be a shame if this came down to licensing. Also, for another 6" maybe Solomon Grundy?

i saw a GREAT solomon grundy custom on etsy. Need to make some of that money and I might buy it!

I looked it up when you posted it, and it looks phenomenal! If it's still up when I have the cash, I might make that my first foray into customs.

[shogunjlips]

can someone please list/tally the number of Marvel characters vs the number of DC characters (no variants for either) that have been POP'd

Give me an hour or so, you'll have your list

so whats the tally??

[Greeryboy2410]

Right, let's do this list

Here's how this works, the number beside the character is how many variants they have

DC Total different characters - 27
Marvel Total different characters - 52

DC (these all include bobble-heads)

Batman - 29 (yep, 29...)
Robin - 6
Batgirl - 3 (yay, a low number!)
Penguin - 2
Riddler - 2
Joker - 8 (including the bank robber Dark Knight)
Superman - 12
Wonder Woman - 5
Green Lantern - 8 (Including the Hal Jordan box variant)
The Flash - 14 (including the CW three)
Sinestro - 2
Two Face - 1
Shazam - 2
Green Arrow - 2 (5 if you include the CW)
Aquaman - 3
Hawkman - 2
Bane - 1
Catwoman - 2
General Zod - 1
Superboy - 1
Harley Quinn - 7
Darkseid - 2
Nightwing - 3
Deathstroke - 5
Poison Ivy - 1
Killer Croc - 1
Bizarro - 1

Marvel (also include bobble-heads. Oh wait... xD)
Thor - 6
Loki - 8
Spiderman - 12 (including movies and Peter Parker)
Ironman - 7 (including Tony Stark)
Wolverine - 6 (Including Logan)
Captain America - 10
Red Skull - 1
Hulk - 9 (including red and compound)
The Thing - 4
Nick Fury - 1
Doctor Doom - 3
Ghost Rider - 3
Silver Surfer - 1
Deadpool - 10
Beast - 2
Phoenix - 4
War Machine - 1
Iron Patriot - 3 (including James Rhodes)
Deep Space Suit - 1
Dark Elf - 1
Black Widow - 2
Winter Soldier - 2
Electro - 3
Star Lord - 2
Rocket Raccoon - 4
Groot - 3
Baby Groot - 3
Drax - 1
Gamora - 1
Coulson - 1
Odin - 1
Heimdall - 1
Lady Sif - 1
Professor X - 1
Cyclops - 1
Storm - 3 (including apparent black suit)
Colossus - 1
Mistique - 1
Magneto - 2
Howard the Duck - 1
Hawkeye - 1
Vision - 2
Ultron - 1
Yondu - 1
Ronan - 1
Nebula - 1
The Collector - 1
Thanos - 2
Punisher - 1
Venom - 1
Daredevil - 1

So yeah... Just a little under double...

[Greeryboy2410]

can someone please list/tally the number of Marvel characters vs the number of DC characters (no variants for either) that have been POP'd

Give me an hour or so, you'll have your list

so whats the tally??

Completely forgot to hit submit xD

[shogunjlips]

Baby Groot should have its own count

thanks for the tally, quite the disparity

could you now total the number of active comic titles by Marvel and DC to see if the disparity in POPs is proportional to the number of titles

[Greeryboy2410]

Baby Groot should have its own count

thanks for the tally, quite the disparity

could you now total the number of active comic titles by Marvel and DC to see if the disparity in POPs is proportional to the number of titles

Erm... Maybe later xD
That took me a little while. Was thinking of making a seperate part for Baby Groot

[bo150000]

Wow...I never thought DC got a raw deal...until this post. At least they don't have bobbleheads.

[Greeryboy2410]

Wow...I never thought DC got a raw deal...until this post. At least they don't have bobbleheads.

Well... They actually do have bobbleheads. They're in Target

[Speedbyte]

Wow...I never thought DC got a raw deal...until this post. At least they don't have bobbleheads.

Well... They actually do have bobbleheads. They're in Target

Correction. They were in target and the chase pieces are rare highly sought after pieces which always leads me to believe there are pallets of the target bobble head pops somewhere in a target distribution center that have never seen the light of day and that is where all the chase pieces are that everyone wants I have yet to see another dc bobble at target since I picked up mine on clearance ages ago.

[Greeryboy2410]

Wow...I never thought DC got a raw deal...until this post. At least they don't have bobbleheads.

Well... They actually do have bobbleheads. They're in Target

Correction. They were in target and the chase pieces are rare highly sought after pieces which always leads me to believe there are pallets of the target bobble head pops somewhere in a target distribution center that have never seen the light of day and that is where all the chase pieces are that everyone wants I have yet to see another dc bobble at target since I picked up mine on clearance ages ago.

Thank god they stopped making extra bobblehead variants xD

[fforesta9]

I agree, would love to see more DC characters (but also more Flash! haha).

Ones on my list that I would like are Lex Luther (hoping since he's a mini that its coming), new 52 martian manhunter, arsenal, grodd,other flash villains

[hawkman2]

More dc villians

[naisatoh]

Right, let's do this list

Here's how this works, the number beside the character is how many variants they have

DC Total different characters - 27
Marvel Total different characters - 52

Keep in mind, a majority of the Marvel Pops comes from the movie universe. The more movies, the more Pops.

Now, if you just singled out the characters that were taken directly from the comics, the numbers would be a lot more even.

[saul_damascus]

It really would be a shame if this came down to licensing. Also, for another 6" maybe Solomon Grundy?

I would love a 6 inch solomon grundy

[saul_damascus]

Right, let's do this list

Here's how this works, the number beside the character is how many variants they have

DC Total different characters - 27
Marvel Total different characters - 52

DC (these all include bobble-heads)

Batman - 29 (yep, 29...)
Robin - 6
Batgirl - 3 (yay, a low number!)
Penguin - 2
Riddler - 2
Joker - 8 (including the bank robber Dark Knight)
Superman - 12
Wonder Woman - 5
Green Lantern - 8 (Including the Hal Jordan box variant)
The Flash - 14 (including the CW three)
Sinestro - 2
Two Face - 1
Shazam - 2
Green Arrow - 2 (5 if you include the CW)
Aquaman - 3
Hawkman - 2
Bane - 1
Catwoman - 2
General Zod - 1
Superboy - 1
Harley Quinn - 7
Darkseid - 2
Nightwing - 3
Deathstroke - 5
Poison Ivy - 1
Killer Croc - 1
Bizarro - 1

Marvel (also include bobble-heads. Oh wait... xD)
Thor - 6
Loki - 8
Spiderman - 12 (including movies and Peter Parker)
Ironman - 7 (including Tony Stark)
Wolverine - 6 (Including Logan)
Captain America - 10
Red Skull - 1
Hulk - 9 (including red and compound)
The Thing - 4
Nick Fury - 1
Doctor Doom - 3
Ghost Rider - 3
Silver Surfer - 1
Deadpool - 10
Beast - 2
Phoenix - 4
War Machine - 1
Iron Patriot - 3 (including James Rhodes)
Deep Space Suit - 1
Dark Elf - 1
Black Widow - 2
Winter Soldier - 2
Electro - 3
Star Lord - 2
Rocket Raccoon - 4
Groot - 3
Baby Groot - 3
Drax - 1
Gamora - 1
Coulson - 1
Odin - 1
Heimdall - 1
Lady Sif - 1
Professor X - 1
Cyclops - 1
Storm - 3 (including apparent black suit)
Colossus - 1
Mistique - 1
Magneto - 2
Howard the Duck - 1
Hawkeye - 1
Vision - 2
Ultron - 1
Yondu - 1
Ronan - 1
Nebula - 1
The Collector - 1
Thanos - 2
Punisher - 1
Venom - 1
Daredevil - 1

So yeah... Just a little under double...

Your Green Arrow count is off. with the new arrow series there are three arrows, two deathstrokes a john diggle in arrow costume and a black canary. Also their are two daredevil variants

[Greeryboy2410]

Right, let's do this list

Here's how this works, the number beside the character is how many variants they have

DC Total different characters - 27
Marvel Total different characters - 52

DC (these all include bobble-heads)

Batman - 29 (yep, 29...)
Robin - 6
Batgirl - 3 (yay, a low number!)
Penguin - 2
Riddler - 2
Joker - 8 (including the bank robber Dark Knight)
Superman - 12
Wonder Woman - 5
Green Lantern - 8 (Including the Hal Jordan box variant)
The Flash - 14 (including the CW three)
Sinestro - 2
Two Face - 1
Shazam - 2
Green Arrow - 2 (5 if you include the CW)
Aquaman - 3
Hawkman - 2
Bane - 1
Catwoman - 2
General Zod - 1
Superboy - 1
Harley Quinn - 7
Darkseid - 2
Nightwing - 3
Deathstroke - 5
Poison Ivy - 1
Killer Croc - 1
Bizarro - 1

Marvel (also include bobble-heads. Oh wait... xD)
Thor - 6
Loki - 8
Spiderman - 12 (including movies and Peter Parker)
Ironman - 7 (including Tony Stark)
Wolverine - 6 (Including Logan)
Captain America - 10
Red Skull - 1
Hulk - 9 (including red and compound)
The Thing - 4
Nick Fury - 1
Doctor Doom - 3
Ghost Rider - 3
Silver Surfer - 1
Deadpool - 10
Beast - 2
Phoenix - 4
War Machine - 1
Iron Patriot - 3 (including James Rhodes)
Deep Space Suit - 1
Dark Elf - 1
Black Widow - 2
Winter Soldier - 2
Electro - 3
Star Lord - 2
Rocket Raccoon - 4
Groot - 3
Baby Groot - 3
Drax - 1
Gamora - 1
Coulson - 1
Odin - 1
Heimdall - 1
Lady Sif - 1
Professor X - 1
Cyclops - 1
Storm - 3 (including apparent black suit)
Colossus - 1
Mistique - 1
Magneto - 2
Howard the Duck - 1
Hawkeye - 1
Vision - 2
Ultron - 1
Yondu - 1
Ronan - 1
Nebula - 1
The Collector - 1
Thanos - 2
Punisher - 1
Venom - 1
Daredevil - 1

So yeah... Just a little under double...

Your Green Arrow count is off. with the new arrow series there are three arrows, two deathstrokes a john diggle in arrow costume and a black canary. Also their are two daredevil variants

I said it was 5 including the show ones? The others I totally forgot about, like Captain Cold and Canary, but it still gets the poimt across
And Daredevil was a typo xD

[CampBhoy67]

I'm about halfway through the Smallville TV series and I would love a Lex Luthor pop. Other wants would be yellow Sinestro, 6" Doomsday and I hold out hope for a Clark Kent ripping open his shirt, showing off his Superman costume

[min8or]

from discussions i've had with people who started collecting right from the start, part the reason Batgirl, Riddler, Two face, Penguin, Green Arrow, Aquaman etc etc were retired was because they didn't really sell that well, and only started to become desirable once it was know that they were retired. so my guess is that they have gone with characters that sell, Batman, Superman, flash, joker, Harley quinn.

a large number of the Marvel Pops are also directly tied to their movies, so if you take out of the list the ones that are only based on thier movie character, it isn't as lop sided. Once DC starts their movie roll out, the DC characters should start to even out, and they will probably do more comic book based releases, like they did with the x-men ones.

that said though, i agree with doing different characters rather than different variations on the same characters over and over.

[Icetenka]

It's sad with all of the Flash POPs out there I still do not have a Flash proto.